Saturday October 17, 1998
On Saturday, October 17, 1998 there was a Southern California Repeater and
Remote Base Association (SCRRBA) general meeting held at Harvey Mudd College in
Chairman Joe Saddler, WA6PAZ, called the meeting to order and welcomed everyone.
There was a very small turn-out for the meeting. Out of 250 some odd
coordinated systems there was approximately 80 members in attendance at the
Treasurer's Report - Mike Penrose, W6AP
SCRRBA has approximately $1,500.00 in the treasury. Mike explained that
SCRRBA is attempting to obtain liability insurance. He is investigating the ARRL
insurance, and that 51% of SCRRBA members must be ARRL members to get the
insurance from the League. He requested that all SCRRBA members indicate whether
or not they are ARRL members.
10 Meter and 6 Meter band Report - Gary Gray, W6DOE
All 4 of the coordinated 10 Meter repeaters are off the air. There are 38
coordinated 6 meter repeaters.
420 - 440 MHz Band Report - Gary Belda, K6ENS
The biggest problem with coordination was incomplete forms being turned in as
well as SCRRBA not being notified of changes. Sometimes action cannot be
taken by SCRRBA because coordinees have not informed SCRRBA of changes in
telephone numbers, addresses and e-mail addresses.
He also mentioned that the system block diagram requested needs to only
indicate RF information including, paths, ERP, antennas, etc. Details on
controllers, cabinets, wiring, etc. is not necessary or desired.
Robin Critchell, WA6CDR, indicated that systems going off the air for long
periods of time have resulted in others applying for and seeking use of the
frequency that seems to be vacant. If SCRRBA has no knowledge of the reason the
coordinated system is off the air, they have no course except to start the
vacant system time clock. The vacant system time clock is currently set at 6
continuous months of inactivity. After the time period elapses, SCRRBA will
revoke the existing coordination and issue a new one. SCRRBA does not have the
time nor the manpower to actively pursue finding out why coordinated systems are
inactive. It is the responsibility of the coordinated system to notify SCRRBA of
the reason for inactivity and expected reuse date. This correspondence must be
sent to the SCRRBA Post Office Box so they have hard copies for their records.
The question again came up about systems moving to a new site. The answer was
still the same in that coordinations are for the exact parameters of the
coordination document and any changes require a new coordination.
There is occasional interference of 434 MHz by the illegal use of ham
frequencies by commercial companies.
440 - 450 MHz Band Report - Robin Critchell, WA6CDR
There are 200 channel pairs, 4 pairs are unusable leaving 196 channel pairs.
There are approximately 575 coordinated systems, or approximately 3 systems on
every channel in the Southern California area. Robin again stressed the
importance of mailing data to the SCRRBA Post Office Box.
Robin now has 5 people helping with the coordinations and things are
beginning to get organized and moving. He requested all systems to send in
an updated coordination request, if it has not been done recently, just to make
sure SCRRBA has all the correct information.
The question was asked if preference was given to open repeaters over closed
repeaters and the answer was no. There are 8 channel pairs dedicated exclusively
to open repeaters and that open repeaters are not generally co-channeled with
closed systems. When open repeaters do get co-channeled with closed systems, the
open repeater is not listed as open in the ARRL Repeater Directory in order to
protect the closed system. In the 440 - 450 MHz Band, there are very few open
repeater coordination requests, which is the reason there are only 8 channels
900 MHz Band Report - Dave DeGregorio, WA6UZS
Amateur radio is 4th on the priority of 5 users in the band which makes the
band almost useless for amateurs. The primary reason is that the vehicle
location service has priority and is used in most of the band. There are 18
coordinated systems with 4 being operational. It is wide open for anyone who
wants to experiment.
1200 MHz and ATV Band Report - Tom O'Hara, W6ORG
Only two new voice systems have been added in the past year. Most of the new
activities on the band have been for links. The first megahertz of the band is
reserved for open repeaters. The rest of the repeater segment is primarily
reserved for private systems. Currently there are no test coordinations active.
There is talk of a 3rd GPS frequency being placed in the band which will impact
the users, depending if and where it is put. There are options being considered
to put outside the amateur band.
Tom asked if 146.46 MHz was still being used by most systems and most were
not using it.
Microwave Band Report - Bill Kelsey, W6QC
The microwave frequencies are primarily used for ATV. There is some
FCC Report - Robin Critchell, WA6CDR
The LMCC petition to reallocate portions of the amateur spectrum to the Land
Mobile community probably will not happen, but it is still an active document.
There has been no published analysis response from the FCC as of yet. The LMCC
was so highly embarrassed by the large amount of misinformation they included in
their petition, that it is expected that they will not make the same mistake
next time (and there will be a next time).
The 33cm band is still highly used by military radar, so our use of the band
is almost guaranteed.
The 5.3 - 5.6 GHz National Information Infrastructure (NII) band plan has
been published. This plan is sponsored by Microsoft Corporation to construct a
wireless LAN network for all the nations computers on the 5 GHz band to
eliminate the wire connections.
NFCC Report - Bill Kelsey, W6QC
The National Frequency Coordinators Council (NFCC) has been in existence for
over two years and so far has done very little for the actual local
There has been little done on establishing a formal organization at the
There has been no work on the submittal of an NPRM to Part 97 to recognize
coordination councils. The majority of the members of the NFCC belong to the
Mid-Atlantic Coordinators (MAC) and they insist that everything be done their
way because it works for them. Because the land mass structure on the east
coast is different than on the west coast, their technical coordination
parameters do not apply to the west coast, however the MAC members will not
change their position which has created a standstill.
NPRM 98-143 Report - Bill Kelsey, W6QC
NPRM 98-143 (new licensing and band plan rules) was discussed. There was a
major article in QST as well as being on the FCC web site. Each point of
the NPRM was discussed and Bill showed the proposed SCRRBA re-write of the
enforcement/coordination rules. There was a unanimous vote to support SCRRBA
filing comments on NPRM 98-143 using the items as presented, and allowing for
minor revisions which may be necessary.
440 - 450 MHz Spectrum Relief - Bill Kelsey, W6QC
The current reason for 25 KHz channel spacing on 440-450 MHz was reviewed.
The primary reason was due to the currently used repeater/remote equipment.
At the last SCRRBA meeting, the Technical Committee was directed to
re-evaluate the band plan and present a recommendation for obtaining more
channels. The proposal the Technical Committee recommended was going to 20 KHz
spacing and showed the advantages and disadvantages of changing. The 20 KHz
spacing was chosen because the currently used equipment would be able support it
technically and there would be a minimum of expense to support it. This would
give the band an additional 50 useable channels which would solve most of the
The membership voted to direct SCRRBA to convene a band planning meeting to
formally present the 20 KHz channel spacing to the SCRRBA membership and vote on
the acceptance or rejection of the band plan.
SCRRBA was also directed to provide a minimum of a 60 day notice for the
meeting. All SCRRBA members concerned with the 440 - 450 MHz band are urged to
attend because a decision affecting the band and all its users will be made.
SCRRBA is continuing its work to become a corporation.
The was no new business items requested by the membership. The election of
officers was commenced. The current officers were voted in for another term.